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and anybody who remembers the bill clinton days and the bill clinton clinton know that is those taxes were not onerous. they didn't stop the economy from doing quite well. now, on the spending side, the president's proposing really no spending cuts until there is a grand bargain hopefully in january. but without any kind of a bargain at all before then, assuming we do go over the fiscal cliff, then there are going to be substantial cuts in military, contracting -- krirlt contract military contractors are going to feel it almost immediately. and the discretionary spending. that's everything the country does other than the military or social security or medicare. >> so i just want to get one thing straight about the tax rates. that is that the treasury department, if it senses that, yeah, they're going to get a deal here fairly quickly, could say -- can direct how much withholding employers have to take out of paychecks? is that correct? >> yes, that's right, candy. the irs, they're part of the treasury department, they do have authority, they do have discretion to alter those withholdi
and anybody who remembers the bill clinton days and the bill clinton clinton know that is those taxes were not onerous. they didn't stop the economy from doing quite well. now, on the spending side, the president's proposing really no spending cuts until there is a grand bargain hopefully in january. but without any kind of a bargain at all before then, assuming we do go over the fiscal cliff, then there are going to be substantial cuts in military, contracting -- krirlt contract military...
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president clinton massed nafta, the free trade agreement in 1993. the majority of republican votes for it and democrats against it. it's only 20 votes, but that is the difference between boehner getting what he wants and not. if he loses, he can only lose fewer than that in january. he needs a bill that commands a lot of democratic support. >> people say it will be one of the most powerful people. it will be more powerful because she has the upper hand and she knows it. she will have to deal with it at least 75 to 100 votes. >> and again the marks sustain this idea of okay, this new more moderate congress coming in and these voices will be put down to a degree or will we see dire financial implications off the bat? >> the lesser because even if they managed to harsh out the small deal that president obama is putting forward, this is deficit increase that we are talking about. none of these cuts will be offset. all of the spending will have to be accounted for somehow. the stage is set for an ugly plan. >> only in america! trivia time. we ask before
president clinton massed nafta, the free trade agreement in 1993. the majority of republican votes for it and democrats against it. it's only 20 votes, but that is the difference between boehner getting what he wants and not. if he loses, he can only lose fewer than that in january. he needs a bill that commands a lot of democratic support. >> people say it will be one of the most powerful people. it will be more powerful because she has the upper hand and she knows it. she will have to...
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signed by president clinton. it says that persons if they have any religious rights violate and they are can challenge that the government has a high burden to overcome any kind of burden to your free exercise. they use the word persons there but didn't define it if you go to the regular definition of persons in the congressional code. corporations, companies, associations they are all includeded on or abouts a closely held business their religious rights are violated. individuals have no constitutional right to work at these places. you know what you are getting into. if you apply for the job. you are working there now. haven't heard of any individuals complaining. that's a separate situation that could come down the line possibly. though i don't expect it. this is just b. just basic religious freedom not asking for much here thanks for being here. as i said a very important precedent. let me know. does this violate hobby lobby's religious freedom let me know what you think at twitter dave briggs tv. college kid
signed by president clinton. it says that persons if they have any religious rights violate and they are can challenge that the government has a high burden to overcome any kind of burden to your free exercise. they use the word persons there but didn't define it if you go to the regular definition of persons in the congressional code. corporations, companies, associations they are all includeded on or abouts a closely held business their religious rights are violated. individuals have no...
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used to be you could go back to clinton and gingrich. they wanted to come to accommodations, they both got what they want. now boehner wins, obama loses, obama wins, boehner loses, we're not good at these politics. but the zero growth premise will have long-term implications for investors potentially. >> usually not--the globalization makes it tough. but with the thing that's scary about globalization, there's also 2 billion consumers that are going to buy coca-cola and levis, even though we've got to bring a lot of people into the middle class. you can look at it, there's good and bad. >> i could argue both sides. >> we got to go. comments questions, anything you see on squawk e-mail us @squawkcnbc.com. you can also follow us on twitter. coming up, beyond the fiscal cliff, 90 new members of congress are on the way to washington and the new year. we're going to what the new makeup of capitol hill will mean for taxes, spending and everything else. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i apprecia
used to be you could go back to clinton and gingrich. they wanted to come to accommodations, they both got what they want. now boehner wins, obama loses, obama wins, boehner loses, we're not good at these politics. but the zero growth premise will have long-term implications for investors potentially. >> usually not--the globalization makes it tough. but with the thing that's scary about globalization, there's also 2 billion consumers that are going to buy coca-cola and levis, even though...
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cops in the school program was initiated in the 1990s by bill clinton. whether an individual school wants that protection or doesn't want that protection is really up to the individual school and when we made that statement, whether wayne la pierre spoke a week ago, what has to happen and should happen is in every school district, administrators, teacher skpes parents should sit down and ask what's needed to protect the students in that school. others want private security guards. there may be places where they want volunteers to do it. we are willing to work with everybody on the questions. >> how do educators feel about giving teachers firearms training? bob hinky is a principal at mountain crest high school. how do you feel about this? >> well, i think the teachers have that right and so i feel like it's okay, but i have some things i'm very concerned about. i personally wouldn't carry a gun or get a concealed weapon myself. the concerns i have is the concealed weapons, i have a friend who just received his a couple of years ago and through the traini
cops in the school program was initiated in the 1990s by bill clinton. whether an individual school wants that protection or doesn't want that protection is really up to the individual school and when we made that statement, whether wayne la pierre spoke a week ago, what has to happen and should happen is in every school district, administrators, teacher skpes parents should sit down and ask what's needed to protect the students in that school. others want private security guards. there may be...
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a hell of a lot better when bill clinton was president than it is today. i don't think the fiscal cliff is all that bad a deal looking at it from the point of view of a progressive democrat. it's not perfect, but i worry about ceos that are funding fix the debt because, you know, they got us into this in the first place. i don't have a lot of faith in their ability to get us out. one more thing, you know, if there's a deal between the democrats and the republicans, i guarantee you the democrats and the republicans will make out just fine. i'm not so sure about the american people. >> governor rendell -- thanks governor dean for that one. i want to pick up on something you said about kicking the can down the roads. one of the things that had been an issue had been taking the debt ceiling conversation off the table. republicans want to keep it as a point of leverage. it sounds like it's not going to be part of whatever gets negotiated. doesn't that mean though so we kick a lot of big issues down the road and then the republicans go into january with a big pi
a hell of a lot better when bill clinton was president than it is today. i don't think the fiscal cliff is all that bad a deal looking at it from the point of view of a progressive democrat. it's not perfect, but i worry about ceos that are funding fix the debt because, you know, they got us into this in the first place. i don't have a lot of faith in their ability to get us out. one more thing, you know, if there's a deal between the democrats and the republicans, i guarantee you the democrats...
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a gun seller told the "san francisco chronicle" obama is the best gun salesman since bill clinton. every time a liberal opens his mouth and says something stupid about guns, i sell a gazillion of them. let's bring in anna navarro and elsie granderson from grand rapids, michigan. both are cnn contributeors. okay. it sounds kind of odd because the president hasn't done anything when it comes to gun control. so that's something we need to examine. it's all in our heads. what is that? gun sales soaring. is this an aun intended consequence of president obama's push for new ideas to reduce gun violence? go, anna. >> you see a spike in gun sales. people want to retain their rights. i don't think we blame the gun sales on obama. i don't think we blame it on the nra. i think we blame it on a human reaction. i think what we need to see -- >> but, anna -- >> is a comprehensive approach -- >> hang on. we don't blame it on that, but i think these gun people are being very candid when they say that. they wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. there was a gun show here in georgia this weekend. people
a gun seller told the "san francisco chronicle" obama is the best gun salesman since bill clinton. every time a liberal opens his mouth and says something stupid about guns, i sell a gazillion of them. let's bring in anna navarro and elsie granderson from grand rapids, michigan. both are cnn contributeors. okay. it sounds kind of odd because the president hasn't done anything when it comes to gun control. so that's something we need to examine. it's all in our heads. what is that? gun...
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with clinton in '92, they could say he only got 43% of the vote. so the explanation was george w. bush gave conservatism a bad name with reckless spending, too many compromises with democrats, bailouts, all this sort of thing. and so the answer was we have to reclaim conservative purity. that means opposing the democrats, opposing obama. that spirit, you can still see it. >> it is such an important point and it goes to something ben was saying in the last segment, which is the notion of legitima legitimacy. you're talking about the legitimacy of a democratic victory and the legitimacy of the democrat republicans who are held responsible. how many republican primaries they were involved with. christina donel beat mike castle. rand paul beat trey grayson. we had shang angle beat sue louden. those were all in 20 10. i don't read the list to bore you. >> but i'm bored. succeeded. >> it's a long list which goes against one of the mistakes that the traditional press has made in covering this which is covering this as a republican versus democrat story, a conservative versus obama story
with clinton in '92, they could say he only got 43% of the vote. so the explanation was george w. bush gave conservatism a bad name with reckless spending, too many compromises with democrats, bailouts, all this sort of thing. and so the answer was we have to reclaim conservative purity. that means opposing the democrats, opposing obama. that spirit, you can still see it. >> it is such an important point and it goes to something ben was saying in the last segment, which is the notion of...
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and hillary clinton is now good to go but doctors still want her to wait a little longer before traveling overseas. now, one of the ideas that seems totally obvious and completely inevitable until you realize that somebody had to think of it first. it is something that takes the newest technology, the smartphone and couples it to one the oldest, the chariot. the result makes it easier for some to get around town, and others to make a living. tom foreman has the story of uber, a german word, in tonight's "american journey. >> reporter: for 13 years in the crush and crawl of d.c. traffic, robert harrison has made a sometimes difficult living as a limo driver, but a surge of new riders has him for the first time heading into the holidays for real optimism about his job. >> they have saved the day for us as independent limo drivers. >> that's the impact? >> that's the impact, absolutely. >> he says he owes it to uber, a relatively new service that allows limo drivers to collect electronically with people nearby who need a car right now. so your smartphone knows where you are. all you do is pu
and hillary clinton is now good to go but doctors still want her to wait a little longer before traveling overseas. now, one of the ideas that seems totally obvious and completely inevitable until you realize that somebody had to think of it first. it is something that takes the newest technology, the smartphone and couples it to one the oldest, the chariot. the result makes it easier for some to get around town, and others to make a living. tom foreman has the story of uber, a german word, in...
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most issues but on the welfare reform under bill clinton. i didn't totally agree with what he was doing and i was the co chair here at the house. i thought that was pretty good, it was my second term and they named me co-chair. i think they did it because i was a welfare mother. they had no idea don't make made co-chair and expect me to be quiet. i would go to the floor and i would talk about it and i would use my experience. i would hear on the other side of the aisle and they would say yes, but she's different. i wasn't different. i was the actual example of what a welfare mom could be if given the chance. >> we're almost out of time but i wanted to ask, 95%, 96% of congress gets re-elected. do you think congressional seats should be more competitive? >> they are competitive? we run every two years. how more competitive could it be than to be on the block every two years and under the microscope of your constituents? in my district, i don't know about this one because we haven't gotten the numbers but in the first obama election we had 93.
most issues but on the welfare reform under bill clinton. i didn't totally agree with what he was doing and i was the co chair here at the house. i thought that was pretty good, it was my second term and they named me co-chair. i think they did it because i was a welfare mother. they had no idea don't make made co-chair and expect me to be quiet. i would go to the floor and i would talk about it and i would use my experience. i would hear on the other side of the aisle and they would say yes,...
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>> aside from the first sentence, hillary clinton's name is never mentioned. this is a report at the state department certain boxes weren't checked. there wasn't proper coordination between this bureau and that bureau. should have been more proactive management and you've heard reports like this, and 25 implemented and we'll be wondering why it didn't prevent the attack. >> the panel appointed by hillary clinton did not interview her before reaching the conclusions. a panel appointed by her conveniently clears her. >> paul: doesn't mention her. >> no individual. >> it doesn't mention her, the second tier-- so these four individuals, assistant secretary of state or lower levels. >> right. >> they were basically forced-- i mean, are they the scapegoats? >> they fell on their swords for supposedly responsible for embassy security, fell on their swords, but the report itself says no disciplinary, there's no reason for recommendation for disciplinary action, that's the last line of this report. so, what you have here is basically saying, look, you know, there were
>> aside from the first sentence, hillary clinton's name is never mentioned. this is a report at the state department certain boxes weren't checked. there wasn't proper coordination between this bureau and that bureau. should have been more proactive management and you've heard reports like this, and 25 implemented and we'll be wondering why it didn't prevent the attack. >> the panel appointed by hillary clinton did not interview her before reaching the conclusions. a panel...
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bill clinton was not going to sign the bill. bill clinton was put in a difficult position. so we got it passed. i was the author in the house and the jesse helms was the author in the senate and we worked together on the bill along with my cuban-american brands. >> that regime is still around. at the time, a number of our allies protested the bill. in the rearview mirror, how effective was it overall? do you feel good about that? >> it shows the repression is so strong in cuba, the ability of fidel castro to reach out to some of his "friends" around the world that he has been able to circumvent sanctions. i think we ought to do everything we can to bring freedom to the people of cuba. the helms-burton law was not as effective as i would have liked. >> another issue out you are associated with is autism. how did that get started? >> my grandson was a very normal child. when he was 18 months to two years old, he got nine shots in one day. seven of which had thimerosol, mercury. it is a preservative. never been tested. in 1929 it was tested on the 29 people who had meningitis.
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but that painful to fuful tox s going to be tough to get over, but the name bill clinton comes to mind when you look at successful politicians remaking themselves. >> katon dawson, south carolina, appreciate it so much. see you at the silver dollar in charleston, my friend. >> absolutely, thank you, luke. >>> next, brand new information about what house republicans will be doing tomorrow. >>> plus, the bitter battle of president obama's second-term cabinet. you don't even have to be a nominee to be scoured these days. politico briefing is next, jake sherman, don't want to miss that. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>> the president cannot -- this white house cannot continue to float trial balloons and then not have them shot down. the president can't get perceived to being rolled by opponents. the problem that chu
but that painful to fuful tox s going to be tough to get over, but the name bill clinton comes to mind when you look at successful politicians remaking themselves. >> katon dawson, south carolina, appreciate it so much. see you at the silver dollar in charleston, my friend. >> absolutely, thank you, luke. >>> next, brand new information about what house republicans will be doing tomorrow. >>> plus, the bitter battle of president obama's second-term cabinet. you...
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one of the things i love is you and i like hillary clinton, i love seeing all of the different hair styles that we have had throughout the course of the show. >> we have fun in there. i know. >> yes, they do. >> wait. >> i personally feel that the squatch call moment was a high for you and the news and cable news across all channels and a highwater mark. >> i have an update. >> is there an update? yeah. >> i have an update. >> still haven't found him? >> my interest in squatch. unfound. no body. my interest has gotten so enormous that for christmas this year my brother bought from the california big foot research institute, i think that's what it's called, an actual cast of an squatch. this was my christmas gift. >> i love how you use the word actual to describe something that doesn't exist. >> it's real. i'm a believer now! >> okay. >> all right. well, we have -- >> what else you got for christmas. >> you wouldn't. no, you wouldn't. >> the california bigfoot institute. you learn something. >> i made that up. >> is that affiliated with ucla? anyway, up next, s.e. will turn the tables, it i
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does the buck stop with hillary clinton? no one is sure yet but will have to come and testify and was scheduled to testify. it is not about whether she wants to or is willing to. it is when she will reschedule now due to her health. >> at the same time, i mean a lot of people had commented before she had taken this time off or before gotten sick. she had not been looking well. the travel had been obviously extremely hard on her. >> that's right. she did take a lot -- long foreign trip. now she has been out of the picture, though, since december 15. the question is when is she going to come back and when is she going to answer these questions? >> what are the questions going to be? more of the same? >> well, the big thing -- bigger picture here is not only when she comes back due to her health, what's this mean for her 2016 political aspirations? lot of people think hillary clinton wants to run for president. a lot of people think she has done a good job at the state department, even conservatives. benghazi episode from septe
does the buck stop with hillary clinton? no one is sure yet but will have to come and testify and was scheduled to testify. it is not about whether she wants to or is willing to. it is when she will reschedule now due to her health. >> at the same time, i mean a lot of people had commented before she had taken this time off or before gotten sick. she had not been looking well. the travel had been obviously extremely hard on her. >> that's right. she did take a lot -- long foreign...
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so, if everybody says let's go back to the clinton tax rates, that is the clinton tax rates. also, on more spending, the iraq war, we pulled the people out. on c-span about two months ago i turned it on a senate armed services committee. one not seen anybody report this. the state department sent in private contractors at a cost greater than if we would've had our troops in there. it is a fact right now, the figures don't lie, but liars figure. host: thanks for the call. guest: the president's proposal to roll back the bush tax rates for upper-income americans would raise probably about $100 billion a year. that includes higher tax rates on income earned over $250,000, higher estate taxes, and more. it's not going to solve our deficit problem, but it will have an impact. the question is, is that enough, too much, too little, when you combine it with spending cuts, to reduce the deficit to more stable level over the years? host: what we have seen in these negotiations between the principals, how does that portend in terms of what we will see in the next congress? guest: it's h
so, if everybody says let's go back to the clinton tax rates, that is the clinton tax rates. also, on more spending, the iraq war, we pulled the people out. on c-span about two months ago i turned it on a senate armed services committee. one not seen anybody report this. the state department sent in private contractors at a cost greater than if we would've had our troops in there. it is a fact right now, the figures don't lie, but liars figure. host: thanks for the call. guest: the president's...
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elise labott is joining us. >> hillary clinton had been recovering at home. she had a terrible stomach virus that she caught on a trip earlier this month and then unfortunately fainted due to rehydration. she's been recovering at home under doctor orders but we understand secretary clinton will be back at home next week. the secretary is looking forward to resuming her schedule back here at the state department. >> also, i know that there had been some talk of one more foreign trip for her. is that out or in? >> well, she's not really ready to travel any time soon as per her doctor's orders but there are a lot of questions about whether secretary clinton would have been up to testifying on benghazi affair. as you know, she had her deputies sitting in for her because she was under doctor's orders not able to come to work. plans have been made for her planning to testify and i think for secretary clinton she definitely wanted the chance to have congress hear from a lot of congressmen and women looking forward to her story about how she approached the attack in
elise labott is joining us. >> hillary clinton had been recovering at home. she had a terrible stomach virus that she caught on a trip earlier this month and then unfortunately fainted due to rehydration. she's been recovering at home under doctor orders but we understand secretary clinton will be back at home next week. the secretary is looking forward to resuming her schedule back here at the state department. >> also, i know that there had been some talk of one more foreign trip...
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because it will be harder for them to deal after the clinton tax rates all come back. they also realize they're probably going to take most of the blame. but on the democratic side, there is a real interest in protecting all of those vulnerable people, plus the middle class people on the amt. and the last thing president obama wants is something that will stop what looks like a reasonably steady economic growth that we're having right now. this coming year could be a very good year for us if we don't let all this political nonsense get in the way. >> it's hard to imagine how it doesn't. you look at the record, and we talked about it, of this congress. fewer bills passed of any since they've been keeping records. 219, the previous he was 313 bills that got through congress. and a lot of them are basically, you know, naming a post office. and at the same time, it sounds like, tell me if you think something else is going on, this is going to be the narrowest of possible deals. tax rates are going to stay the same for people making 250, 400 or maybe $500,000 a year or less
because it will be harder for them to deal after the clinton tax rates all come back. they also realize they're probably going to take most of the blame. but on the democratic side, there is a real interest in protecting all of those vulnerable people, plus the middle class people on the amt. and the last thing president obama wants is something that will stop what looks like a reasonably steady economic growth that we're having right now. this coming year could be a very good year for us if we...
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not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying to limit government and cutting taxes. what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you kno
not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people....
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mayor bloomberg of new york, hillary clinton, barack obama said it was an individual right. 75% of the american people, probably 95% of politicians including liberal politicians thought it was. other than getting rid of the d.c. about in the chicago, what difference did it make? >> guest: that's interesting. to me that's a surprise because gun-control advocates eresting. to me that's a surprise because gun-control advocates said after both those decisions they would be a tsunami was the word that was used for challenges to gun control regulations. other than some, but certainly not a tidal wave of them. they have mostly succeeded. here the district they passed and decided on a new set of regulations that still ban assault weapons and make it necessary you have to show that you now how do gun and could store it safely and you have to register and so on. there is a challenge to that but i don't think it's been resolved yet. >> host: in a couple hundred lawsuits across the country. but almost everyone of them has upheld the laws. >> guest: they overthrew because of how to admit donald. >>
mayor bloomberg of new york, hillary clinton, barack obama said it was an individual right. 75% of the american people, probably 95% of politicians including liberal politicians thought it was. other than getting rid of the d.c. about in the chicago, what difference did it make? >> guest: that's interesting. to me that's a surprise because gun-control advocates eresting. to me that's a surprise because gun-control advocates said after both those decisions they would be a tsunami was the...
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"obama is the best gun salesman since bill clinton. every too many a liberal opens his mouth and says something stupid about guns, i sell a gazillion of them." need further proof? one iowa reporter went inside a des moines gun shop. >> the most popular is the a.r.-15, one of the weapons used in the sandy hook shooting. >> two days before christmas i maybe have 30 of these. and i had ten in my safes. and now i have zero. >> i'm joined by los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa. welcome to the show, mr. mayor. >> michael, thank you for having me on. happy holidays to you. >> the same to you, my friend. does the uptick in gun sales surprise you in any way? >> no. i think we've seen this happen before. you've heard one of the people interviewed saying that it happened in the 1990s, when bill clinton was talking about and trying to do something about gun violence and responsible gun laws. you see it happening again after sandy hook. after the two firefighters who were assassinated just the other day and two police officers who were killed on
"obama is the best gun salesman since bill clinton. every too many a liberal opens his mouth and says something stupid about guns, i sell a gazillion of them." need further proof? one iowa reporter went inside a des moines gun shop. >> the most popular is the a.r.-15, one of the weapons used in the sandy hook shooting. >> two days before christmas i maybe have 30 of these. and i had ten in my safes. and now i have zero. >> i'm joined by los angeles mayor antonio...
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mayor bloomberg of new york, hillary clinton, barack obama all said that it was an individual right. 75% of the american people thought it was an individual right including those liberal politicians thought it was. other than getting rid of the d.c. law and the chicago law what difference did it make? >> guest: that's interesting. to me that as a surprise because a lot of gun control but it said tougher with of those decisions that there would probably be a tsunami i think was the word the was used of challenges to gun control regulations. well, they're have been some, but there's certainly not in a tidal wave of them and they haven't mostly succeeded here in the district. the past and decided on a new set of regulations the still band the assault weapons and make it necessary you have to show that you know how to use a gun and can store it safely and have to register it and so on, and the -- there is a challenge to that that i don't think has been resolved yet. >> host: i know of at least a couple hundred lawsuits in the country and they move slowly but still almost every one of the
mayor bloomberg of new york, hillary clinton, barack obama all said that it was an individual right. 75% of the american people thought it was an individual right including those liberal politicians thought it was. other than getting rid of the d.c. law and the chicago law what difference did it make? >> guest: that's interesting. to me that as a surprise because a lot of gun control but it said tougher with of those decisions that there would probably be a tsunami i think was the word...
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not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying to limit government and cutting taxes. what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you kno
not comparable to rates under reagan or going back to clinton. clinton was 39%. >> eric: that is where we are going. what about this. every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people....
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president clinton explained the argument that we were climbing t. by that time election day, th percentage of people is of the country going in their right correction,saw the economy improving, higher than has been, ronald reagan when he was reelected. lou: i don't have the time. >> he was there. lou: this is the -- why did he call -- mixing his old boss. why did he not call first governor chris christie who gave him the photo op, four and half hours and a big hug there was persuasive to just about 15 percent of the voters. should that not have been his first document. >> probably did not want to run again. facing a lot of questions like those. lou: there are no questions. a man and it is presint the gilded photo, embedded in the minds of 15 percent of the voters. >> i agree. i said that before. as said it would happen. i thought that was going to be a big factor, a it turns out it was. i don't think it ends up deciding the election. lots of other things that ended up, but ther is no question that having chris christie give president obama that figu
president clinton explained the argument that we were climbing t. by that time election day, th percentage of people is of the country going in their right correction,saw the economy improving, higher than has been, ronald reagan when he was reelected. lou: i don't have the time. >> he was there. lou: this is the -- why did he call -- mixing his old boss. why did he not call first governor chris christie who gave him the photo op, four and half hours and a big hug there was persuasive to...
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secretary of state hillary clinton coming back to work. the concussion is becoming less concussed apparently and she may testify about what she knew and when maybe. good news for madam secretary and john kerry whose appointment is on hold while the republicans decide whether to wait to hear from ms. clinton before approving him. bad news for the four dead americans. steins, smith, doherty and woods. hillary's testimony is months overdue. i hope mrs. clinton backs up her promise and "i take full responsibility for benghazi." i hope you do, madam secretary. i hope you don't let the men die without answers. i hope a lot. in sports and business once you hope, you have already lost. she will come back and testify. then what? >> kimberly: this is disappointing. why do we put a push on for her to come do the right thing. this f she has a health issue, she has a health issue. concussion, memory loss? i don't know. this you seems suspicious. >> eric: you call this a mess. >> andrea: i don't buy this. i am not sure if she testifies we get answers an
secretary of state hillary clinton coming back to work. the concussion is becoming less concussed apparently and she may testify about what she knew and when maybe. good news for madam secretary and john kerry whose appointment is on hold while the republicans decide whether to wait to hear from ms. clinton before approving him. bad news for the four dead americans. steins, smith, doherty and woods. hillary's testimony is months overdue. i hope mrs. clinton backs up her promise and "i take...
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if hillary clinton decides not to run i think the vice president starts off as the favorite in a field that will include several others. joehris: you are saying jo biden would be 73 and the oldest first term. >> i 73 in the united states senate is a youth movement. i think he will make a decision sometime later. i think you will see him out there courting donors and activists in iowa, new hampshire and elsewhere. >> chris: byron? >> implementation of obama care. the rise in costs of premiums. more people put into part-time status. controversy over the start of these exchanges with republican governors refusing to do it in their states and the loss of employer-based health coverage for a lot of people. you have to remember, president obama campaigned by saying if you like your coverage now you can keep it. that will be put to the test this year. >> chris: kirsten? >> i think that based on what happened in the last election the republicans have finally realized for political reasons they have to start to look at immigration reform. something the president wanted to do before but really c
if hillary clinton decides not to run i think the vice president starts off as the favorite in a field that will include several others. joehris: you are saying jo biden would be 73 and the oldest first term. >> i 73 in the united states senate is a youth movement. i think he will make a decision sometime later. i think you will see him out there courting donors and activists in iowa, new hampshire and elsewhere. >> chris: byron? >> implementation of obama care. the rise in...
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bill clinton ran ads attacking him for breaking his pledge. since the pledge is a public piece of information the press goes after you if you break the pledge. your local voters go after you. your democratic opponent calls you a fibber. the pledge is self-enforcing. if i went and became a tibetan monk on the top of some mountain somewhere, the american people were against tax increases long before i was born. the whole tea party thing predates me. so harry reid misunderstands, the american people don't want taxes raised. they realize that spending is the problem, spending needs to come down. tax increases get in the way of spending restraight. >> i want to bring stephen moore back into the conversation. a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with
bill clinton ran ads attacking him for breaking his pledge. since the pledge is a public piece of information the press goes after you if you break the pledge. your local voters go after you. your democratic opponent calls you a fibber. the pledge is self-enforcing. if i went and became a tibetan monk on the top of some mountain somewhere, the american people were against tax increases long before i was born. the whole tea party thing predates me. so harry reid misunderstands, the american...
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last week is why is a couple hundred dollar tax rise to the middle class a doom now, but during the clinton era, it was praised? >> well, people don't have the home equity they had back then and they don't have the stock market wealth they had back then. >> costs have gone up. >> inflation, inflation has -- look at how much gas costs now compared to what it cost back then. food is a lot more expensive. look, the economy is buckling under the weight of all this government. no, i don't think americans can afford it. that's why we have to slash government spending. the nation is broke. >> but peter, peter, michael farr, while we need this reduction in spending and i'm totally with you, we don't need this ham-handed kind of blunt instrument approach to figuring out the solutions to these problems. i mean, these guys have had all the time in the world to come up with the simpson-bowles and they just refuse to take responsible action. >> but they're not going to do that. it's funny, people talk about we need a solution that avoids the fiscal cliff but that solves our long-term problems. these thi
last week is why is a couple hundred dollar tax rise to the middle class a doom now, but during the clinton era, it was praised? >> well, people don't have the home equity they had back then and they don't have the stock market wealth they had back then. >> costs have gone up. >> inflation, inflation has -- look at how much gas costs now compared to what it cost back then. food is a lot more expensive. look, the economy is buckling under the weight of all this government. no,...
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a spokesman says clinton is look forward to resuming her schedule. on that schedule, testifying before congress about the deadly attacks on a u.s. consulate in libya this past september. >>> russia is work on talks to end a 21-month-old conflict in syria. the syrian government is ready to talk with its opponents. now russian's foreign minister is calling on syria to make good on the offer. they are working with egyptian diplomats. russia expects to meet a senior american diplomat next month on the issue. >>> "stormin' norman has died. retired general norman schwartzkopf died of complications from pneumonia. he spent his entire life in the military. in vietnam, he rescued a wounded soldier by marking land mines with shaving cream. he later commanded the american- led coalition in the first iraq war. schwartzkopf was 78. >>> 5:37 now. police say a police officer who lives in antioch returned to his home to find three burglars inside the house. it happened on wednesday night. the officer tried to chase the suspects but stopped when one of them fired a s
a spokesman says clinton is look forward to resuming her schedule. on that schedule, testifying before congress about the deadly attacks on a u.s. consulate in libya this past september. >>> russia is work on talks to end a 21-month-old conflict in syria. the syrian government is ready to talk with its opponents. now russian's foreign minister is calling on syria to make good on the offer. they are working with egyptian diplomats. russia expects to meet a senior american diplomat next...
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president clinton started the cops program where you have resource officers who are armed in the schools as a result of that. there is partial funding, but it's very limited and cut back and insufficient, obviously. it's going to take over $2 billion if you put a federal funded program for an armed person at every school. i think there's voluntary programs to look at if you have trained people, and we want to set up a model training for this. it should be an option that the local school board finally makes the decision. i can understand skepticism, but i think that school safety is the debate. i think it is terrific that the nra is willing to fund experts and st. louolutions free of cos the schools to hopefully create a voluntary program. >> it's more than skepticism. i want to read you two reactions to what the nra had to say. the first from mayor michael bloomberg who said they, meaning the nra, offered a paranoid vision of a more dangerous and violent america where everyone is armed and no place is same. the nra as's lobbyists blamed everyone but nems for the crisis of gun violence. t
president clinton started the cops program where you have resource officers who are armed in the schools as a result of that. there is partial funding, but it's very limited and cut back and insufficient, obviously. it's going to take over $2 billion if you put a federal funded program for an armed person at every school. i think there's voluntary programs to look at if you have trained people, and we want to set up a model training for this. it should be an option that the local school board...
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with bill clinton chronicles how those merchants were celebrating and when the doors opened they had as ship ready to speed across the atlantic to tell the americans good news. [laughter] >> after the boston massacre there was a brief discussion should be sent a ship's captain? a bostonian said i will carry the report to london. they decided they could not afford it. the royal government sent their own report. so in 1775 that is why the massachusetts government was not willing to spend the money. they knew they could be skipped if they did not. >>. >> we will continue questions downstairs. also signings of the book. let's continue downstairs. for our panelists. robert, a tired, and john todd andrlik is a publisher of raglan did, >> it is always a treat to be in this store it is a wonderland. about five years ago a friend suggested that i share rightabout ms. green. [laughter] i said to? she was called the which up on wall street. she was interesting but finance and wall street? then it was 2008. and everything changed the stock market collapsed collapsed, real-estate prices plunged a
with bill clinton chronicles how those merchants were celebrating and when the doors opened they had as ship ready to speed across the atlantic to tell the americans good news. [laughter] >> after the boston massacre there was a brief discussion should be sent a ship's captain? a bostonian said i will carry the report to london. they decided they could not afford it. the royal government sent their own report. so in 1775 that is why the massachusetts government was not willing to spend...
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president obama nominated senator john kerry to succeed hillary clinton as secretary of state. secretary clinton who was still recovering from a concussion, was not there, but in a statement called the pick excellent. president obama's first choice for the job, susan rice withdrew her name after coming under fire about the tragedy in benghazi, libya. >>> now an update on that prison break. two convicted robbers scaling 17 stories with a rope made out of bed sheets. then impossibly hailing a cab to freedom. tonight, a new twist. abc's john schriffen has our story. >> reporter: he pulled off a daring escape from prison, but now joseph "jose" banks is busted. appearing in court this afternoon, after nearly three days on the run. the fbi arresting him late last night in chicago. >> yeah, it's kind of scary. but i thought that they'd, like, go far away. >> reporter: we now know both accomplished bank robbers, joseph banks seen here on surveillance video, broke out of their high-rise federal penitentiary in chicago, using sheets and towels tied in the form of a rope, even stuffing cl
president obama nominated senator john kerry to succeed hillary clinton as secretary of state. secretary clinton who was still recovering from a concussion, was not there, but in a statement called the pick excellent. president obama's first choice for the job, susan rice withdrew her name after coming under fire about the tragedy in benghazi, libya. >>> now an update on that prison break. two convicted robbers scaling 17 stories with a rope made out of bed sheets. then impossibly...
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hillary clinton got a little master's degree. and then laura bush, do i believe has a librarian thing. masters. both got it wrong. very good start. here is question number two. marilyn monroe, no advanced degree often played a ditsy blonde felt critic for acting skills. though she was nominated for a winner she did win a golden globe for her role in what film? golden globe, marilyn monroe what film? >> terribly sorry. >> sweet sue, you won't tell anybody, will you. >> >> bill: doocy got it right. no surprise there very good film. >> steve: those were men dressed as women. >> bill: really, doocy? >> nothing gets by him. >> they are flamboyant men. >> bill: no end to your dedetective capability. >> bill: i think i have a crick right here. number three. margaret thatcher film. >> we will stand on principle or we will not stand at all. >> but, margaret with all due respect, when one has been to war. >> i have done battle. every single day of my life. >> bill: iron lady is her nickname. mrs. thatcher also known by another title confer
hillary clinton got a little master's degree. and then laura bush, do i believe has a librarian thing. masters. both got it wrong. very good start. here is question number two. marilyn monroe, no advanced degree often played a ditsy blonde felt critic for acting skills. though she was nominated for a winner she did win a golden globe for her role in what film? golden globe, marilyn monroe what film? >> terribly sorry. >> sweet sue, you won't tell anybody, will you. >> >>...
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mayor bloomberg in new york and hillary clinton, barack obama all said it was an individual right and 75% of the american people thought it was an individual right in 95% of the politicians including those liberal politicians thought it was. other than getting rid of the d.c. law and the chicago law, what difference did it make? >> guest: is interesting. to me that was a surprise because a lot of in control advocates said, after both of those decisions, that probably the tsunami i think the word it was used of challenges to gun control regulations. there is certainly not been a tidal wave and they haven't mostly succeeded here in the district. they decided on a new set of regulations that still bans assault weapons and makes it necessary, you have to learn -- show that you know how to use a gun and can store it safely and know how to register it and so on and there is a challenge to that but i don't think it's been resolved yet. >> host: i know at least a couple hundred lawsuits across the country, lawsuits move slowly. at. >> guest: almost everyone of every one of them has upheld the
mayor bloomberg in new york and hillary clinton, barack obama all said it was an individual right and 75% of the american people thought it was an individual right in 95% of the politicians including those liberal politicians thought it was. other than getting rid of the d.c. law and the chicago law, what difference did it make? >> guest: is interesting. to me that was a surprise because a lot of in control advocates said, after both of those decisions, that probably the tsunami i think...
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go back to the clinton era tax rate and watch republicans squirm. that's what benjamin bog is saying. the next one says, we need to cut entitlements and spending. and get people off government reliance. that's candria crisp who wants what some of republicans are pushing for, saying they want more spending cuts in the legislation. i think we have time to jump in with one more. the people in congress have their form of entitlements but still end up on vacation with no work done. that's terrace hogan. one of many people complaining that congress only got back together in this respect in recent days and hasn't had this worked out a long time ago. we're going to be sharing your comments throughout the afternoon. throughout the evening. go ahead and send them and martin, we'll be back later on with more. >> congress does work for the people. maybe it's good they hear from the home office from time to time. >>> well there's only one place to spend new year's eve and that is right here with anderson cooper and kathy griffin. they've got a special preview fo
go back to the clinton era tax rate and watch republicans squirm. that's what benjamin bog is saying. the next one says, we need to cut entitlements and spending. and get people off government reliance. that's candria crisp who wants what some of republicans are pushing for, saying they want more spending cuts in the legislation. i think we have time to jump in with one more. the people in congress have their form of entitlements but still end up on vacation with no work done. that's terrace...
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host: in fact in some of the months, both the clinton campaigns and the clinton and the romney campaigns raised $150,000 in just one month. caller: absolutely. it's a whole different world. -- guest: in ronald reagan's campaign, he attended three fundraise but i couldn't find a single fundraiser for his re-election campaign. because he took general money and in the nominating process, he was unopposed and the spending cap was $25 million and that was it. he was able to hit that mark by sending out vice president president bush and having a direct mail fundraising operation to the extent that the campaign manager said they had to return money after they exceeded the limit on what they could spend under public spending. host: we're talking with brendan doherty, he is the author of "the rise of the president's permanent campaign." also an associate political science professor at the u.s. naval academy. if you want to get involved in the conversation, call the number on your screen -- host: we're going to talk about how the president chooses to travel around the country based on the return o
host: in fact in some of the months, both the clinton campaigns and the clinton and the romney campaigns raised $150,000 in just one month. caller: absolutely. it's a whole different world. -- guest: in ronald reagan's campaign, he attended three fundraise but i couldn't find a single fundraiser for his re-election campaign. because he took general money and in the nominating process, he was unopposed and the spending cap was $25 million and that was it. he was able to hit that mark by sending...
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. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton sidelined no more. her spokesman says she will be back at work next week after spending the past three weeks fighting off what the state department said was a stomach flu and a concussion brought on by a fainting spell. doctors have grounded her from overseas travel for a few more weeks. her return means she may soon testify before congress about that attack on the u.s. diplomatic office in bengahzi. >>> hopefully bart, the hound dog, won't be sniffing around lake erie any more this winter. he slipped through the ice and his front paws were the only thing that kept him through the surface. his owner tried to help him, but he slipped through, too. >> i was talking to him. trying to keep him warm, rub him. get flood flowing through his body. i kind of looked at it like what if it was my dog? >> they spent about 90 minutes in the frigid water before rescuers arrived. bart was cold but otherwise okay. >>> america watched as paul mccartney, bon jovi and bruce springsteen took the stage to raise money for the
. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton sidelined no more. her spokesman says she will be back at work next week after spending the past three weeks fighting off what the state department said was a stomach flu and a concussion brought on by a fainting spell. doctors have grounded her from overseas travel for a few more weeks. her return means she may soon testify before congress about that attack on the u.s. diplomatic office in bengahzi. >>> hopefully bart, the hound dog,...
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in the 2008 democratic primary, then senators clinton and obama, they fought about it. they even ended up voting on opposite sides of the issue when it came up for a vote that summer. fisa, and whether or not we already have a government with too much power to spy on us, whether or not there should be more congressional and judicial oversight of that power, whether or not more should be done to protect people's privacy, our country's been having been fights over that tough for years now. but you know what happened today in congress? congress, despite being stalled on pretty much everything, today congress extended fisa, extended the federal government spying powers and did it quickly, like that. the republican-led house passed a bill in the fall with a little help from democrats and the senate passed it today in an overwhelming vote of 73 yeas to 23 nays. president obama is expected to sign it. if you are a civil liberties guy, there was good news and bad news in this debate. the good news is that there were a bunch of privacy amendments, including one from democratic s
in the 2008 democratic primary, then senators clinton and obama, they fought about it. they even ended up voting on opposite sides of the issue when it came up for a vote that summer. fisa, and whether or not we already have a government with too much power to spy on us, whether or not there should be more congressional and judicial oversight of that power, whether or not more should be done to protect people's privacy, our country's been having been fights over that tough for years now. but...
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hillary clinton returns to work next week. she has been out of office for three weeks now because of a stomach flu and a concussion from a fall. she's promised to testify before congress about september's deadly consulate attack and in gauzy libya. the obama administration has been criticized for failing to offer adequate protection for the consulate and giving out misleading information about the attacks. hillary clinton says he takes responsibility for that. clinton says she takes responsibility for that. next, we're checking in on the markets as we inch closer to the so- called fiscal cliff. also ahead, what certain satellite cable customers can expect on their bill in the new year. and in lunchbreak: a "lean and green" sandwich made with edamame. reports on theports on the east coast will remain open. they have reached a tentative deal. the association will continue negotiations for another 30 days to work out remaining issues. the majority of the dispute was over the so-called container royalty fee. without the agreement
hillary clinton returns to work next week. she has been out of office for three weeks now because of a stomach flu and a concussion from a fall. she's promised to testify before congress about september's deadly consulate attack and in gauzy libya. the obama administration has been criticized for failing to offer adequate protection for the consulate and giving out misleading information about the attacks. hillary clinton says he takes responsibility for that. clinton says she takes...
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on the secretary of state hillary clinton and e.p.a. head lisa jackson have announced they are leaving. in terms of the rest of the members we're still in the speculation stage. host: we know two deaf nitswhofment are the likely expected to turn over? guest: almost certainly timothy geithner indicated he would leave. there's some uncertainty because of the fiscal cliff. he may extend his stay in orter to complete those negotiation but it's a virtual certainty he will be leaving. so speculation is alive who might replace him. and also leon panta will retire but the timing is uncertain. host: these are the big names of the cabinets and the big positions. anybody lower down the chain expected to go? guest: a little talk about the energy secretary steven chu is thinking about it. ken salazar the interior secretary is also thinking about leaving and u.s. trade representative ron kirk is also on the mentioned list in terms of retiring. host: but none of those formally? guest: not official . host: has anybody said i'm sticking around? guest: t
on the secretary of state hillary clinton and e.p.a. head lisa jackson have announced they are leaving. in terms of the rest of the members we're still in the speculation stage. host: we know two deaf nitswhofment are the likely expected to turn over? guest: almost certainly timothy geithner indicated he would leave. there's some uncertainty because of the fiscal cliff. he may extend his stay in orter to complete those negotiation but it's a virtual certainty he will be leaving. so speculation...
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senator graham, how important is it for secretary of state clinton to testify under oath before she leaves office about the benghazi terror attack and what do you think we still need to know about benghazi. >> absolutely essential that she testify. i want to know from the secretary of state's point of view, were you informed of the deteriorating security situation, were all the cables coming out of benghazi, did they ever get up to your level and if they didn't, it is a problem and if they did, why didn't you act differently. it is important to know how the intelligence coming from libya, how it was received, in the state department, so we can learn and correct any mistakes we need to make. >> chris: some of your republican colleagues say they are prepared to hold off the confirmation of john kerry as secretary of state, until secretary clinton testifies as secretary, before she leaves office. >> that will happen, i was told by senator kerry he wants that approach, as you and needs to hear what she says so he can make comments about, i agree with her, i don't agree with her and makes sense
senator graham, how important is it for secretary of state clinton to testify under oath before she leaves office about the benghazi terror attack and what do you think we still need to know about benghazi. >> absolutely essential that she testify. i want to know from the secretary of state's point of view, were you informed of the deteriorating security situation, were all the cables coming out of benghazi, did they ever get up to your level and if they didn't, it is a problem and if...
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balanced debate on this topic, richard goodstein, democratic consultant and former advisor to hillary clinton for president and chris wilson, former executive director of the texas republican party. thanks for joining us this day. let's get right to the question. should we find a way enacting new gun laws it will help prevent another mass shooting at a school, a movie theater or even a mall? >> well, let's not forget what happened here was not a violation of the law per se. we had a criminal who stole a gun from a law-abiding citizen. unless democrats proposes pose confiscating guns from people who purchase them legally, which i don't think they're proposing nothing they're proposing would have stopped what occurred in connecticut. it is a real problem for us to step forward creating laws out of the air that would have absolutely nothing to do with you stopped what occurred. kelly: richard, do you agree with that. >> well, here is the problem, kelly, with the nra's position. first, they're tone he have did. the public since newtown, or even before turned rather substantially against the idea
balanced debate on this topic, richard goodstein, democratic consultant and former advisor to hillary clinton for president and chris wilson, former executive director of the texas republican party. thanks for joining us this day. let's get right to the question. should we find a way enacting new gun laws it will help prevent another mass shooting at a school, a movie theater or even a mall? >> well, let's not forget what happened here was not a violation of the law per se. we had a...